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CronkTheImpaler · Jun 13, 2008, 04:54 AM // 04:54

dont sweat it guys. anyone thats been around since 05 remembers when ecto meant something. it was status it was a hedge against the economy. sup vig 50k sup abs 60k . these things meant something then. now we have a new hedge, Zkeys to replace ecto. ecto has always been the standard bearer, until now. now ya go to GTB and ecto is fraction of keys. why? for a title??? come on. maybe an emote? yikes. wait wait its for an everlasting tonic.... sure thats it. either way ecto has been capped at 5.5 and it isnt gonna change. as a previous post said put the gold in gems black dye or....ughhhh Zkeys... gotta go puke now.

Cronk

Ctb · Jun 13, 2008, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Don't try the real life commodity market, there is no safety lines at all.

Real life commodity markets are actually a pretty safe thing most of the time for people who actually intend to take delivery of whatever they've bought contracts on. The seller of the contracts (e.g. a farmer) has a definite income stream they can plan around while the crops are still growing, and the buyer has locked ina definite rate and can set prices on existing and future inventories appropriately.

It only gets screwed up when you have speculators who are only buying "on paper" and never intend to actually take delivery of whatever they've bid on. Reference our current oil problems. They're effectively betting that OTHER PEOPLE will take delivery and make the price worth their purchase... stupid.

But that's a whole other topic...

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sooo the OP and anyone who thinks that it will ruin the economy or ecto prices /fails.

People like the OP have been failing at this for 3 years now across dozens, if not a hundred or more threads about different updates. Every freaking change, practically, somebody freaks out and posts a thread about how the economy is about to be destroyed. I'm convinced that a developer could sneeze into the wrong brand of tissue and somebody would race over here and post a breathless rant about how it means the end of the guild wars economy as we know it.

Which is why this thread should have been closed from post 1.

N8mare · Jun 13, 2008, 01:27 PM // 13:27

I dont invest my golds in ectos. Nor in black dyes. Nor in zkeys. The best way to keep gold is... keep the gold. With 8 characters and storage I have space for 1.8kk. When I need ectos - I buy them. When I have some - I sell them. Only gold has a steady "value", every other thing will sooner or later go down in price.

I dont get it, however, why they dont allow us to keep in storage more then 1kk. Whats the problem ? Why do people have to buy additional accounts to keep the gold or invest it in ectos? It's mad. There has always been inflation. And the only thing that inflation does not affect - is gold. Funny.

ogre_jd · Jun 13, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by N8mare

I dont get it, however, why they dont allow us to keep in storage more then 1kk. Whats the problem ? Why do people have to buy additional accounts to keep the gold or invest it in ectos? It's mad. There has always been inflation. And the only thing that inflation does not affect - is gold. Funny.

Because gold is meant to be spent, not hoarded.

N8mare · Jun 13, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

Because gold is meant to be spent, not hoarded.

Dont act like an idiot or a communist - its MY business what I do with the gold I've earned - and MY alone, not yours, not AN. Storage shall have unlimited free space for gold, or the limit shall be much, much higher then 1kk. Otherwise banks shall be implemented or other solutions. I know that there are some econ. analphabets working @ AN, but hey! Economy is a VITAL part of every MMO. You dont care about it? Your game loose!

joshuarodger · Jun 13, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by strcpy

Of course it's about e-peen - no one has taken any accomplishment away at all.

i never said some of it wasn't about vanity (i like your term better, lol). i said it's not so much about vanity. sure i like having things that others don't. i think we all do. you'll never hear me say i made my own build from scratch but the difference is that i put in a lot of time researching builds, modifying things here and there, testing them out, discarding things i didn't like, and finally coming up with something that i was comfortable and worked for me. that's where my sense of accomplishment came in.

now with SF everyone and their mother can do what i did without investing half the time. making it to rank 8 LB, or whichever rank you want in any title, isn't quite the same thing as this. you still have to go through the same processes as everyone else to get those titles. i.e. kill x amount of foes in order to reach rank y. with the SF buff, reaching 1000k or acquiring stacks of ectos became exponentially easier. that's where the sense of diminishment comes in.

i feel like i had to work for it and now people are just having it handed to them. and in all honesty, i can't fault them for it. i would do the same exact thing if i hadn't already accomplished it. i don't really even think they should nerf SF for PvE purposes. it keeps people playing and interested. i just don't think they should have split the skills into two aspects to start with. but that's another thread.

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Originally Posted by Chthon

You are mistaking something that hurts you for something that hurts the game economy.

maybe you're right, but that doesn't mean that SF won't hurt the game economy. it also doesn't mean it will. time will tell.

Ate of DK · Jun 13, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by ChillOutDude

So if they nerf [skill]shadow form[/skill] , i'll be back to the good old VwK (and many others).

so it won't be 10 ecto's a run , it will be 5-8 boohooo really .

True true, guess they should nerf all builds that can solo anything then.

Oblivion99 · Jun 13, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

In my opinion, this update is actually more likely to improve the economy of GW, not hurt it. The GW economy has been shit for a very long time, ever since pets were introduced things have started to go down hill. The more players that have money, more items are purchased, other players are able to sell things easier and get more items, etc. Overall, as long as inflation, the main problem that I believe is possble with this, doesn't become too serious, the added real and unduped money to the GW economy will be nothing but a good thing.

Kiluna · Jun 13, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

PERMA-SHADOW WAS POSSIBLE BEFORE THE UPDATE. STOP WHINING ABOUT UW BEING TOO EASY TO FARM. IT WAS THIS EASY BEFORE. GO AWAY.

P.S. IT'S SPELLED "UPDATE."

Seriously. Shut up. It's not ruining the economy whatsoever. UW was just as easy to farm, it just took 1/4 of a second more attention to make sure you were casting the echoed copy at the right time whereas now you don't have to check.

If you didn't have the slightest frakking clue before, you don't have any right to say anything now. GET OVER IT AND GTFO.

/endrant (can you tell I'm tired of hearing this crap when the update really did nothing above what could already be done?)

I think this can't be quoted too many times in this thread.

Anyway, ecto price have been jumping between 4-6k for quite long time, as i remember it. And i don't think this SF change will ruin the economy (or what's left of it, WTS +30 for sword 28k, oh wait... can't get more than ~6k for it anymore...).

In the end it's about supply and demand, like in any other MMO game that got player made economy. When many people decide they want FoW armor or chaos gloves and end up buying ectos from trader, the price will go up. When noone buys them, but instead sell to trader, the price will go down.

MisterT69 · Jun 13, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

So wat everyone's saying is that they don't like overpowered...taking from what I hear in the arguments. Well imo, who really gives a hoot? A lot of these sins who are farming the ecto use it to buy stuff, whether it be armor or weapons, which boosts the demand for them, and it's not like all the perma sins are spending all their ectos freely. A lot want their FoW armor or chaos gloves, so what do they do? they save; not spend, so for those farmers, they aren't even a risk to the game economy. And so what if perma sin can farm chaos plains, why don't we nerf [Obsidian Flesh] or VWK because it can do plains as well. Mainly the OB ele, which was capable of soloing plains way before the dagger sin.

So while we're at it, let's nerf the perma sin, imbagon, terra tank, Dslash/SY, ursan, VwK, 55, Necro farmer, 130 derv, and any possible quick way for a person to get some cash solo, since apparently the only true and respective way to farm is with a group?

Am I hitting the nail on the head here?

strcpy · Jun 14, 2008, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

now with SF everyone and their mother can do what i did without investing half the time. making it to rank 8 LB, or whichever rank you want in any title, isn't quite the same thing as this. you still have to go through the same processes as everyone else to get those titles. i.e. kill x amount of foes in order to reach rank y. with the SF buff, reaching 1000k or acquiring stacks of ectos became exponentially easier. that's where the sense of diminishment comes in.

Not true - there are very very few titles that are not much easier to get than before. Talk to the people who "maxed" LB before HM was released. We either ground through the measly points you get in NM until you couldn't get any more or, if you really wanted and "achievement" you went into one of the nightfallen areas, killed everything but the priests, and then let the re-rezz the whole group. You had to do the *whole* rank that way and it took many tens hours of solid play. There was MUCH screaming here when it HM and the title track progression was released as quite a number of people spent more time on one rank in NM than it would take to get more than one character fully maxed in HM.

Then we have heroes - there was a time when protector titles meant something. You were either a really skilled hench player, had fought through many crappy PUGs, or were in a skilled guild. Now anyone and everyone can do them just by looking off of PvXWiki - with the triple necro builds (known here as Sabs build) you can sit and watch the H/H kill everything whilst you do nothing. They added the ability for a HUGE amount of players to finally get titles. Then, the biggest hit of all, when HFFF was noticed - how about the people who AB'd all that faction are now in the same class as someone who followed a script they read off of a wiki?

Shall I go on with "achievements" that have been significantly lessened? How do you think people felt who purchased a sup vigor rune for 100+k and then a few weeks later Anet changed drop rates and it plummeted to 15-20k. There isn't a title that hasn't at least been hit by the "double" points or better weekends and almost no prestige items that haven't had their drop rates significantly increased. You should *never* do anything in an online game for vanities sake as all it takes is a dev to twiddle a few bits and everyone else will have it too. This is especially true in GW as their focus is more on the casual gamer experiencing the whole game (and that includes being able to purchase/find nearly anything in game).

The difference here is that something that *you* like and feel is an accomplishment is hit. I still recall a time shortly after release when having a set of plain 15k armor was something you got whispers about in game. I won't say that time was better (or worse - it was just different IMO) but it shows how much towards the casual player getting items we have moved.

notskorn · Jun 14, 2008, 03:55 AM // 03:55

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

now with SF everyone and their mother can do what i did without investing half the time. making it to rank 8 LB, or whichever rank you want in any title, isn't quite the same thing as this. you still have to go through the same processes as everyone else to get those titles. i.e. kill x amount of foes in order to reach rank y. with the SF buff, reaching 1000k or acquiring stacks of ectos became exponentially easier. that's where the sense of diminishment comes in.

So what? It just means that the new SF people have wasted less of their lives getting worthless titles than you. Hey guys lets spend months farming for gold that gives you literally no advantage at all over another player, great!

Riceboi · Jun 14, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

True true, guess they should nerf all builds that can solo anything then.

Yeah and then 50% of players would leave, probably more even.

mafia cyborg · Jun 14, 2008, 08:38 AM // 08:38

you lot opposed the nerfs that were coming from pvp.....and now u realize they were good? too late.
now u can "enjoy" your dumbened down pve...with no balance between skills. no logic....
and now wait for mystic regen eles wiping out any elite area.

ps:btw i made an assa and sold allready 40 ectos to merchant....i hope others do the same and destroy the economy so u pve farmers learn your lesson.

The forth fly · Jun 14, 2008, 09:13 AM // 09:13

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Originally Posted by mafia cyborg

you lot opposed the nerfs that were coming from pvp.....and now u realize they were good? too late.
now u can "enjoy" your dumbened down pve...with no balance between skills. no logic....
and now wait for mystic regen eles wiping out any elite area.

ps:btw i made an assa and sold allready 40 ectos to merchant....i hope others do the same and destroy the economy so u pve farmers learn your lesson.

please do keep selling them to the merch.it will save me alot of time farming them ty

upier · Jun 14, 2008, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by N8mare

I dont get it, however, why they dont allow us to keep in storage more then 1kk. Whats the problem ? Why do people have to buy additional accounts to keep the gold or invest it in ectos? It's mad.

Or they could just hand out free copies of the game to anyone that wants it.
It's not like they want to get rich or something ....

Heavently Monk · Jun 14, 2008, 09:33 AM // 09:33

I give mine opinion:

SF is now good for farming BUT Areanet will simply nerf it again as the other nice things, like the 55hp build etc.

Thx

Onyx Blindbow · Jun 14, 2008, 09:33 AM // 09:33

Same old thread just a diff skill being QQ'd about, all these threads (SF, ursan etc...) are all alike and getting to be kind of boring.

However

For anyone wanting to make a similar thread in the future here is the template:-

Thread Title

I think <Insert skill here> is <Choose option(s) 1 - 3>

1) Godmode
2) Destroying the economy
3) Killing Guid Wars

Body of text
Based on whatever skill and reason(s) you placed in the thread title just post a general rant about the skill

Things to remember

1)In the body of text you must remember to continually place options 1-3 in justification of your argument, the more you do so, the stronger your argument.

2)Don't forget to mention numerous times that you don't actually use the skill yourself but want it nerfed for the good of everyone else.

3)Regardless what anyone says continue to whine about the skill and ignore any comments in favour of it

Follow the above template and you can have a similar flame & troll thread of your very own.

In fact I think I will make a thread just to post how to make a thread to help all these ppl

Sleeper Service · Jun 14, 2008, 09:49 AM // 09:49

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Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

Same old thread just a diff skill being QQ'd about, all these threads (SF, ursan etc...) are all alike and getting to be kind of boring.

However

For anyone wanting to make a similar thread in the future here is the template:-

Thread Title

I think <Insert skill here> is <Choose option(s) 1 - 3>

1) Godmode
2) Destroying the economy
3) Killing Guid Wars

Body of text
Based on whatever skill and reason(s) you placed in the thread title just post a general rant about the skill

Things to remember

1)In the body of text you must remember to continually place options 1-3 in justification of your argument, the more you do so, the stronger your argument.

2)Don't forget to mention numerous times that you don't actually use the skill yourself but want it nerfed for the good of everyone else.

3)Regardless what anyone says continue to whine about the skill and ignore any comments in favour of it

Follow the above template and you can have a similar flame & troll thread of your very own.

In fact I think I will make a thread just to post how to make a thread to help all these ppl

also remember you have to open it with the obligatory "this is not a : rant/petition/pink fluffy bear" statement.

A good tip that many seem miss is also NOT to post in any other corresponding but opposite type threads, Ex: "Skill X is killing GW " and "Skill X is so frikin awsome".

Yes even if its not in the same thread it will adversely affect your credibility, in particular regarding Point 2 Onyx mentions.

Onyx Blindbow · Jun 14, 2008, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Thanks for your help there Sleeper I forgot about those 2 parts, they have now been duly added to my thread xD (credited to you)